Huh? I guess the Divines should have called the first covenant the Covenant of Obedience.

Or how about the Covenant of Meritorious (Personal, Entire, Exact, Perpetual) Obedience?

Not only are these FV men not Christians, but they’re not even Calvinists

Very true. They always give a token nod to the doctrines of grace in theory, but then “the secret things belong to the Lord, stop trying to peek up God’s skirts,” and they launch into telling us how we need to preach and teach and live like Arminians. Theoretical Calvinists, Practical Arminians.

Parting shot, here’s another example of FV’s egregious abuse of the English language…

Not only are these FV men not Christians, but they’re not even Calvinists, despite their incessant prattle about being dyed-in-the-wool 5 pointers. Wilson said; “when we deny that the gift was conditioned upon Adam’s “moral exertions or achievements,” we are denying the idea of autonomy.” But, I thought we all exist and move “in God,” He is the Potter and we are His clay, and that the idea of “autonomy” is an illusion like that Arminian and Romanist fantasy of free will? I guess not.

Consider this from one of Wilson’s tireless defenders, Xon. I I believe Xon is even a member of James Jordan’s church (which shows how depraved this poor soul is to place himself under that bag o’ nuts).

I am saying for the third time now, I agree that there are no autonomous actions. Which is why the FVers are right to say that Adam was not required to render them. Since unicorns do not exist, God did not require Adam to tame one.

Now think about the level of darkness in this reply. Wilson and the other false teachers and signers of the FV statement are “right” to say that Adam is not required to do the impossible and absurd. Adam’s not required to think of a square circle either, why not make that an FV confessional standard.

Notice too that according to this brave defender of Wilson that autonomous actions, which in the FV lexicon are “works,” do not even exist. Works are a chimera, the intellectual equivalent of unicorns. Therefore there is no such thing as works in Scripture or anywhere else for that matter. Yet this poor trapped and imprisoned soul foolishly goes on a public blog and defends the indefensible. What’s worse is that wolves like Wilson and the rest of the dogs that signed the FV statement just leave this poor guy out to dry. They let some poor follower do their dirty work, but they cannot even muster a defense for their nonsense.

The FV men are asserting unicorns and Xon defends their nonsense. I honestly think Scientologists like Tom Cruise make more sense then some of these men who pretend to be Christians and Christian leaders.

My question is, when will the PCA prosecute these false teachers like Meyers, Leithart, Horne, and the others who signed the FV statement?

But here are some terms that one ought not be allowed to interchange as though they were synonyms — obedience and works. (Doug Wilson)

Of course, Scripture clearly equates Christ’s “good works” with His “obedience,” and teaches that they were the very basis of His glorification!

“If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father. — John 10:37-38

“I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.” — John 17:4

“Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.” — Romans 4:4

“Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.” — Romans 5:18-19

“And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name…” — Philippians 2:8-9

Wilson simply doesn’t know what he’s talking about (or else he does, and he’s doubly guilty!).

The question is not whether we hold to the requirement of obedience. We all hold to that. We are all confessional on this point. The debate is over the nature of that obedience. Was it an aspect of God’s grace to man, or was it to be autonomously rendered by man? That is the point of debate, and on that the Westminster Confession requires nothing of us, one way or the other. (Doug Wilson)

Of course, the Westminster Confession clearly teaches that God created Adam and Eve with “the law of God written in their hearts, and power to fulfill it” (4.2), and that both their obedience and disobedience to His law was governed by His “providence” (5.1-4) not His “grace.” God’s “grace,” properly defined within this context, is in response to Adam’s disobedience or sin (it’s called the Covenant of Grace, Doug!). Nothing we do, including our sinful acts of disobedience, is “autonomously rendered by man!” Once again, Wilson simply doesn’t know what he’s talking about (or else he does, and he’s doubly guilty!).

Nice job.