PCA Voodoo

Here’s an interesting blog post:  PCA hotly debates delaying formal acknowledgement of racism and the end is EPIC.jay-hawkins I’m not sure about epic, but what do you expect from a denom where the Moderator holds up his tie and explains that it was “made from the  actual material of the elvin cloaks from The Lord of the Rings.” They spend hours in prayer and debate trying to repent for sins that probably not one of them ever committed, yet when formal overtures were made for the GA to direct the Standing Judicial Commission to retry the case exonerating Federal Visionist and false teacher Peter Leithart they are ruled out of order and not one TE or RE lined up to protest the trashing of Christ’s the Gospel. I don’t understand the PCA.

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47 Comments on “PCA Voodoo”

  1. Hugh McCann Says:

    Voodoo Child?

    Sean, I was befuddled as to why that page only called their man “The Moderator,” mysteriously leaving him anonymous.

    I then found this:
    http://highlandspastor.blogspot.com/2015/06/hobbit-elected-moderator-of-43rd-pca.html

    In opening business last night, the Assembly elected Jim Wert, a prominent Atlanta Ruling Elder, moderator for the Assembly. Teaching Elder Joe Novenson nominated Jim with some of the strangest arguments in my memory. Among the usual long list of abilities, service, and character qualities, Joe cited the fact that Jim and his wife are known for dressing up as Samwise and Rosie Gamgee. I kid you not. In his acceptance speech he quoted Bilbo freely, “I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”

    Truly a bizarre and sad time for the PCA.
    ______________________

    Voodoo Child (Slight Return) ~ In other Lord of the Rings news this week, film stars Sir Ian McKellen and Sir Patrick Stewart kissed on the lips at the premiere of the former’s new play on Wednesday night. Perhaps a portent of things to come a next year’s GA…


  2. “…yet when formal overtures were made for the GA to direct the Standing Judicial Commission to retry the case exonerating Federal Visionist and false teacher Peter Leithart they are ruled out of order and not one TE or RE lined up to protest the trashing of Christ’s the Gospel. I don’t understand the PCA.”

    I ask that you take this back. You cannot say that ‘not one TE or RE lined up to protest.

    Multiple Overtures/Communications were sent, they were all ruled out of order. Minority Reports from Review of Presbytery Records were sent, they were ruled out of order. The objection I offered, was ruled out of order.

    Do not say that no one lined up to protest. Many men and presbyteries lined up to protest. It would be better to say we were not allowed.

  3. Jon Volkoff Says:

    I guess the PCA cares more about the social gospel than the gospel of God.

  4. Hugh McCann Says:

    They’re different? 😉


  5. Meanwhile, happily, at the recent ARBCA GA, the association voted to adopt this position paper: http://s3.amazonaws.com/churchplantmedia-cms/arbca_carlisle_pa/2015-4-20-arbca-tc-pp-impass2.pdf

  6. Hugh McCann Says:

    Pat – But did your guys quote Tolkien?

    http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=26-06-014-v


  7. Not to my knowledge 🙂

  8. Sean Gerety Says:

    What are you saying Patrick? RB’s don’t suffer from liberal pangs of white guilt? I did find this interesting. The Hobbit Moderator, Jim Wert, commented on the above blog assuring us: “J.R.R. Tolkien was a deeply Christian author his entire life.” Tolkien was a deeply committed Romanist his entire life, which probably explains why the PCA referred to the FV men as their “brothers in Christ.”

    Also, here is a Tolkien quote concerning his devotion to the papacy and his disdain for the Reformation and Protestants in general:

    “I myself am convinced by the Petrine claims, nor looking around the world does there seem much doubt which (if Christianity is true) is the True Church, the temple of the Spirit dying but living, corrupt but holy, self-reforming and re-arising.

    But for me that Church of which the Pope is the acknowledged head on earth has as chief claim that it is the one that has (and still does) ever defended the Blessed Sacrament, and given it most honour, and put (as Christ plainly intended) in the prime place.

    ‘Feed my sheep’ was His last charge to St. Peter; and since His words are always first to be understood literally, I suppose them to refer primarily to the Bread of Life. It was against this that the W. European revolt (or Reformation) was really launched—’the blasphemous fable of the Mass’—and faith/works a mere red herring.”

  9. Sean Gerety Says:

    Andrew Barnes writes:

    I ask that you take this back. You cannot say that ‘not one TE or RE lined up to protest.

    Multiple Overtures/Communications were sent, they were all ruled out of order. Minority Reports from Review of Presbytery Records were sent, they were ruled out of order. The objection I offered, was ruled out of order.

    Do not say that no one lined up to protest.

    Really, Andrew? “Multiple overtures” and “communications” are hardly the same visual as hundreds of men lining up “to sign historic protest while the Moderator reads from The Lord of the Rings.”

    Was there anything comparable to this show of unity in the fight against the Christ denying heretics that remain in good standing in the PCA? If so, I must have missed it:

  10. Hugh McCann Says:

    Andrew Barnes, What next then, for these valiant young Luthers? Another letter-writing campaign &/ or prayer-meeting, with more hand-wringing & overture-bearing?

    Clicking on your name, above (heretofore unknown by me, sorry), I found this: we are committed to the Bible, God’s Word, as the supreme rule of faith and life.

    Bold words, sir. Now, if they are legit, then this “Bible, God’s Word,” your “supreme rule” trumps your GA, presbyteries, sessions, sermons, committee reports, overtures, the BCO (including addenda thereto), decisions of any and all courts, and the nebulous, “communications,” correct?

    Let it lead you and any and all others who seriously say such things as does your blog, sir.

    It is high time you and others stood up and shouted. If you’re shouted down, you walk. “Stand up for Jesus” must be more than pious prattle.

    The peace and safety (and even -horrors!- the comfort) of your church has long ago been disturbed and threatened by false teachers.

    But if y’all asked Bilbo into your hearts, then let Tolkien or Chesterton or Jason Stellman be your blind guides.

    Till then, Sean owes your sad crew no apology, retraction, or revision.

  11. Sean Gerety Says:

    Andrew, here’s the description again from the blog piece I linked above: “the line of men to sign the protest (really a statement repenting of racism) had grown longer than the convention hall itself as a large majority of the men present (many hundreds) signed the document.”

    Now, you’re probably correct and there was one person who protested from the floor when the GA upheld the Leithart exoneration and according to Jerry Koerkenmeier (before I was unceremoniously given the left-foot-of-fellowship by Andy Webb for using the phrase “justification by belief alone” on the so-called “PCA Conservatives” Yahoo group), that person was you:

    Someone (TE Barnes) attempted (I thought quite brilliantly) to make the case that since the SJC is a Commission (speaking for the Court / GA), and that he was a member of that court as a TE in good standing, he had the right to make objection under BCO 45-1: “Any member who did not have the right to vote on an appeal or complaint (see BCO 39-2), and is not satisfied with the action taken by the court, is entitled to have an objection recorded.” He was, of course, ruled out of order.

    Although I don’t suppose one person standing up on the floor of the GA can seriously be called a line. 🙂

  12. Richard Bacon Says:

    Sean, I think it has become quite clear over the years that just because the PCA thinks that a particular doctrine is heresy that does NOT mean they are willing to call the people who teach it “heretics.”

  13. Hugh McCann Says:

    Sean,
    Back to your OP, just how does someone repent of/ for someone else’s sins?

  14. Hugh McCann Says:

    Picking up on Richard’s post:

    As R.C. Sproul (PCA TE laboring out of bounds) said in 1994 at the inception of the ECT movement, “We -Evangelicals- are willing to say that what we believe is the truth, but we are not willing to say that what the opposite of what we believe is false.”

    He was speaking of the likes of Chuck Colson and J.I. Packer, who Sproul considered to have then negotiated away the gospel.

    Indeed.

  15. Sean Gerety Says:

    @Richard – as bizarre as that sounds you’re right.

    Sean Lucas (who is also one of the co-authors of the resolution PCA promotion of “racism and failing to act to support the goals of the Civil Rights movement”) wrote on Jason Stellman’s PCA impostor turned papist website:

    I have little doubt that Dr. Leithart is a genuine believer in Jesus. I do not believe that he is a heretic (particularly because, in my understanding as a church historian, heresy would generally be associated with denying key Trinitarian or Christological truths). And I do not believe that simply because one has a high baptismal theology that one is a heretic (if so, then Calvin was wrong to say that the Roman Catholic Church still had true baptism).

    The issue here (and really the only issue here) is whether someone can teach in ways that are contrary to the essentials of the Standards of the PCA and still remain a minister in good standing in that church. The case that has been made is that Dr. Leithart has significant differences with the Standards on issues such as covenant, election, justification, and perseverance‑‑all issues that are essential to the system. One could hold his views and still belong to other branches of the Christian church; the real question is whether one can hold his views and be a minister in this branch of the Christian church.

    Must be where all that love of theological paradox gets you. 😉

  16. Hugh McCann Says:

    In PCA voodoo, Leithart is a major witchdoctor.

  17. Hugh McCann Says:

    PCA hymnal addition:

  18. Sean Gerety Says:

    Given that the Moderator held up his tie proclaiming it was made of the elvin cloaks from The Lord of the Rings, I was thinking this would be a more appropriate addition to their corporate worship (and it even has some speaking in tongues in order to appeal to the charismatics):

  19. Steve M Says:

    “Sean,
    Back to your OP, just how does someone repent of/ for someone else’s sins?”

    It would be nice if they could repent of my sins and save me the trouble.

  20. Hugh McCann Says:

    Maybe the PCA is about to offer absolution!

  21. Richard Bacon Says:

    I just came back from the hen house after dispatching an uninvited visitor who was dining on my hens’ eggs. He was curled up inside one of the nesting boxes and had devoured three of the eggs that had been lying in the box. In fact it was so recent that it was still possible to see the outline of the eggs. But I suppose I should probably hold back from actually identifying him as a snake. He was doing the things that a snake does in the way that a snake does them, but if I were actually to CALL him a snake I would have to do something about it.

    Oh, wait! I did do something about it. I identified him as a snake, treated him as a snake and introduced him to a 12 gauge welcome. If the PCA truly believes that something being taught is heresy, then they should have the courage of their convictions to identify those who teach it as heretics. It is not enough to show bravado to fellow presbyters and then cry out how much we love errorists, even though they are putting the eternal welfare of our parishioners at risk.

  22. Hugh McCann Says:

    Richard, Did you ordain him?

    Or, maybe ask him to head up a conference at your henhouse?

  23. Richard Bacon Says:

    Hugh, that would be the PCA way. We would have to dialogue (notice how I have verbed the noun) in order to determine whether the eggs are really mine. The fact that I bought the chicken feed and provided the hen house should not weigh into the matter. After all, we all want the same thing…the eggs.

  24. Hugh McCann Says:

    Eggs can tithe?

  25. Sean Gerety Says:

    Eggs do tithe. What do you think you’re eating for breakfast!

  26. Richard Bacon Says:

    Remember that when it comes to breakfast the hens make a contribution, but the pig gives sacrificially.

  27. justbybelief Says:

    “the pig gives sacrificially”

    Mmmmm…..kosher pork.

  28. Hugh McCann Says:

    Indeed. Sean, the chicken tithes the egg.

    There’s a word-play to be had with Mr Bacon protecting the eggs in the henhouse, but I’m too enfeebled to come up with it.

    Eric? Steve M? Sean?

  29. justbybelief Says:

    Nothing here either.

  30. LJ Says:

    Richard: Oh, wait! I did do something about it. I identified him as a snake, treated him as a snake and introduced him to a 12 gauge welcome.

    Isn’t that a little overkill? A quick pop to the head with a .22LR would have left half the hen-house still intact, LOL!

    The PCA on the other hand, along with certain other Presbyterian denominations, needs more than a shotgun or a rifle, they need a Scriptural bomb …

  31. Richard Bacon Says:

    When it comes to dispatching snakes, I simply use what I have at hand.

    And the hen house is pretty sturdy.

  32. justbybelief Says:

    The rattlers I’ve dispatched have been by means of a good old fashioned OT stoning. I didn’t think to excommunicate them.

  33. LJ Says:

    >… a good old fashioned OT stoning. I didn’t think to excommunicate them.<

    Theonomy! 👍😉

  34. Hugh McCann Says:

    😡 Theonomy 👎 😛

  35. Richard Bacon Says:

    I’ve also used a machete in the past. And a .45 Long Colt pistol loaded with .410 snake shot. Like I said, whatever is at hand. We don’t want to wait so long that he jumps bail.

  36. LJ Says:

    Hey Hugh! Long time no chit chat, eh? What’s your take on what many call the R2K issue? Just curious …

    http://americanvision.org/6882/ho-two-kingdoms-always-turns-out-radical/

  37. LJ Says:

    >And a .45 Long Colt pistol loaded with .410 snake shot.<

    I like your style!

  38. Matthew Anderson Says:

    I physically cringed with embarrassment after reading this. I knew a few folks at a large PCA church I use to attend who literally thought a love of Tolkien’s works (which i didn’t have) was a sign of regeneration.

  39. Hugh McCann Says:

    And conservatives in the PCA like Chesterton:
    http://rcsprouljr.com/blog/student-in-a-school-of-fools/

    All of which reminds me of a talk by Richard Bennett where he said of C.S. Lewis: You can learn how to write, but not what to write.

  40. Andrew Clements Says:

    What has happened to this site? No posts in over a month!

  41. Hugh McCann Says:

    Thank you for stirring slumbering Sean, the giant.

    Maybe he ran out of gas after the PCA hootenanny.

  42. Sean Gerety Says:

    Pretty accurate assessment Hugh. I think the faith/belief debate was far worse for me than the whole FV thing. I came to realize that the supposed “good guys” were oblivious to the main reason why they were so badly trumped (no presidential pun intended). I can’t quite get my mind around that one since it was so simple. Faith is belief, at least for those who speak English and not Seminariese. The adherence to human tradition is just too deep. I almost blogged on a FB post by kinist/racist/make-believe-Christian Mark Chambers, but he “unfriended” me before I could copy it. Removing the flag is SC has exposed those guys like a light in a cockroach filled apartment. Tiny blessing I suppose.

    BTW, I’ve started reading that book on amil by your friend.

  43. Steve M Says:

    I have been suffering from withdrawal symptoms, having become addicted to this site. The faith/belief debate is definitely, at times, exasperating.

  44. Hugh McCann Says:

    This should us all up considerably.

    One of Sean’s fave theonomists -Joel McDrudgery- has taken an easy shot at an inclusive PCA, a congregation rivaling her older sister, Aholah.

    Dr Joel’s empirical diagnosis: http://americanvision.org/12202/dear-trueman-and-horton-heres-where-your-exile-theology-leads/

    The sick patient (PCA pretending to be a church): http://intownchurch.com/blog/2015/6/26/what-a-consequential-week

    Oh, that voodoo that you do, so well, Aholibah!

  45. Hugh McCann Says:

    That is, This should cheer us all . . .

  46. LJ Says:

    “And both of these “sides” will show up tomorrow and worship together!”

    Professing sodomite and professing Christian, worshipping together, oh how wonderfully ecumenical, how progressive and egalitarian … My country tis of Thee? NOT!!!!!


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