Clark Quick Quote

Doug Douma posted this Clark quote on FB and I thought I’d post it here too:

“I would recommend that you read Augustine’s treatise called De Magistro. This is the original refutation of logical positivism and the language philosophies that are common today. Now, the first part of De Magistro is a little tedious. It is so elementary that most of you wouldn’t be interested. But by the time you get through you will see that ink marks on a paper, or sounds in the air, the noise I’m making, never teach anybody anything. This is good Augustinianism. And Protestantism is supposed to be Augustinian, and least it was in its initiation. And it was the most unfortunate event that Thomas Aquinas came in and replaced Augustinianism with Aristotelianism and empiricism which has been an affliction ever since. But the point is that ink marks on a paper, and the sound of a voice, this sort of thing never generates any idea at all. And Augustine’s solution of it is that the Magister is Christ. Christ is the light that lighteth every man that comes into the world. This is not a matter of regeneration. This is a matter of knowledge. And Christ enlightens the unregenerate in this sense just as well as the regenerate. If an unregenerate man learns anything at all, he learns it from Jesus Christ and not from ink marks on a paper.”

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5 Comments on “Clark Quick Quote”

  1. blakodeel Says:

    Yee boyee! Dat full rationalism

  2. Pht Says:

    Does anyone in these parts know of a Good free english version of de magistro? I can’t find a copy of it.

    This: http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/articles/Augustine_on_Teaching.pdf

    Is the closest I could find. I’ve been looking about for this for a while on the net.


  3. Thanks, Sean,, for posting this; and thanks Pht for the Augustine on Teaching paper which I have just now downloaded and saved as a file on my computer.

    This is very timely for me. Very recently it hit me that the great scientists and other thinkers (whether Christian or not) could NOT have found the truths they had unless God opened their minds to receive them. That came to me a few months ago when I was marveling at the insight Isaac Asimov had into what is now developing as a problem among teens (which I call Teenage Cyber Solipsism), who have stopped visiting each other and only view each other via computer or iPad or Tablet etc — he all the way back in 1955 wrote of a planet called Solaria where nobody ever visited anybody and they communicated via a screen in their house.

    What had kept me from seeing this is that we almost always associate revelation which something only Christians receive.

    Sincerely,

    Forrest

    P.S. Here is what I posted about that on my blog:

    Monday, June 01, 2015

    TEENAGE CYBER SOLIPSISM AND ISAAC ASIMOV’S PLANET “SOLARIA”

    TEENAGE CYBER SOLIPSISM AND

    ISAAC ASIMOV’S PLANET “SOLARIA”

    By Forrest W. Schultz

    I recently asked a prominent local pastor (who is also a book author and publisher) if he is concerned about the trend among today’s teenagers of viewing each other on their i-phones or i-pads or computer screens (and “texting” and sending each other emails) instead of visiting each other. He replied that he is VERY concerned about this! I then asked him if he knew that this kind of thing was predicted sixty years ago by the prominent science fiction author Isaac Asimov in his novel The Naked Sun about the planet “Solaria”, inhabited by super-individualists. He said he was unaware of this. I then told him that Solaria shows what might happen if today’s cyber solipsism continues and is carried out to its logical conclusion.

    On this planet Solaria each person lives alone in his own large house on a large estate with all the work being done by robots, and where the people NEVER visit each other (except for some kind of dire emergency), but they do communicate with each other using a large screen where they “view” each other. In the story one of them explains to a visitor from Earth, “We NEVER go and SEE each other. We VIEW each other on this screen.” By the way, the Solarians are humans, NOT space aliens — Asimov never has any space aliens in his stories. They are the descendants of astronauts from Earth who traveled to this planet and established a society there.

    Here is how this planet is described in the topic “Solaria” in Wikipedia:

    “By 5022 AD its inhabitants had evolved an isolationist culture in which its citizens never had to meet save for sexual contact for reproduction. All other contact was accomplished by sophisticated telepresence “viewing” systems, with most Solarians exhibiting a strong phobia toward actual contact, or even being in the same room as another human. All work was done by robots.”

    Well, then, clearly the song about “people who need people” would never be a popular one on Solaria!! I guess that Jean Paul Sartre would have liked living there — in case you have forgotten he was one of the twentieth century’s most famous existentialists, his most famous slogan being “Hell is other people!”. I usually LOVE to do theological analyses, especially of stuff like this, but for some strange reason I am not in the mood for it right now, so I will let you the reader do that, giving the only clue (which should be obvious) — in Solaria each man with his minimal dependence on others will find it easy to be his own god.

    OK, think about it.

    And, in a subsequent post I will tell you what the Solarians finally did, which is described in one of the sequels Asimov added (in the 1980s) to his Foundation trilogy. This also is super-relevant for another thing happening right now here on Earth, especially in the USA.

    Forrest W. Schultz

    Grantville, GA, USA

    June 1, 2015

  4. douglasdouma Says:

    Pht,

    The Trinity Foundation prints “Concerning the Teacher” along with Clark’s “Lord God of Truth.” I believe “Concerning the Teacher” is De Magistro.

    Well, I see you’re looking for a free version. I think this is at $6 on amazon now. If that’s too much, let me know, and I’ll send you a copy. I’ve got some copies.

  5. pht Says:

    douglasdouma Says:

    October 19, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    Pht,

    The Trinity Foundation prints “Concerning the Teacher” along with Clark’s “Lord God of Truth.” I believe “Concerning the Teacher” is De Magistro.

    Well, I see you’re looking for a free version. I think this is at $6 on amazon now. If that’s too much, let me know, and I’ll send you a copy. I’ve got some copies.

    Thanks, but it’s not *that* important. 🙂 It’s just something that’s been bugging me for a while now.


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